Do people hate Vaan and Penelo? Well, yes, of course they do…according to Aspilanti84:
You know, I don’t understand why Vaan and Penelo gets so much hate. I mean, sure, Vaan’s a d-bag with the mixture of a Jersey Shores meets J-POP, and Penelo, like Vann, is “just there”. But they’re generally good-hearted people. And at least they’re not Zidane.
Vaan never struck me as a J-poppy/Jersey Shores “d-bag” (maybe the abs were a bit too much). I will agree that Penelo is kind of “just there”, but Vaan can’t be both a douchebag and generally good-hearted. Then again, Aspilanti84 might not know what s/he’s talking about.
Yet of course, at least they’re not like Zidane. Of course. Zidane is just the pinnacle of what not to be like.
If you don’t remember, Zidane is the trans-gendered, half-furrie otherkin hero of Final Fantasy IX. He was also the thief (read: parasite). He’s is the ultimate “nice guy”. He doesn’t say anything wrong. He’s never disagreeable. He’s a doormat.
Transgendered, in that Zidane’s a genome who, like the rest, exist “in both male and female” forms. Half-furry, presumably because of the tail? Otherkin, because he’s not completely human?
Lots of other nice guys look up to Zidane. He gets the girl because the story says so. They like him because he seems to live out the otaku/weeaboo/wapanese fantasy of getting a (half) Japanese girlfriend, who would passively falls in love with him after fondling her cheeks (“ooohh, soft”). Can anyone point out when Garnet saw what in him?
Apsilanti84 has an obsession, it seems, with labeling Zidane as a “nice guy” who gets the girl. It’s as if they were just jealous of Zidane.
And of course, who wouldn’t want to fondle Garnet’s “cheeks”?
On the surface, Zidane’s a really shallow character with an unusually superficial outlook on life. “O hai, ghais!!!” Unless you’re easily impressed by glib charm, then you can see right through him in the game.
Part of Zidane’s arc was that he was defining himself as he went along. But I wouldn’t say that he had an unusually superficial outlook on life. In fact, he had enough experience to accurately assess one’s character.
Below, Apsilanti84 makes the same tired argument made in almost every post:
Like most nice guys, he makes sure to point out he’s doing nice things for people:
“You don’t need a reason to help people” – Zidane
O RLY??? You DON’T? You just help people for no reason at all, even if they don’t need help? Because when a normal person helps someone, it’s:
1) the right thing to do, because
2) they actually need help.
So then, you do need a reason to help people. You just shouldn’t expect anything in return. Zidane has a pretentious “nice guy” SJW morality. Anyone who thinks this quote is moral is probably a shallow nice guy themselves.
Yes, yes Apsilanti84…we get it…
Sidenote: Zidane always had a reason to help people, usually when capturing the attention of Garnet.
Sometimes, but not always.
He helped other people for things in return, turning down nothing when people offered.
And he helped himself to other people’s goods because…you know, he was a thief.
At times, and he was a thief by profession, but this wasn’t always the case.
He actually caused more harm than good.
This is debatable, especially since he was instrumental in saving the world.
…oh. S/he means with Amarant.
Zidane helped Amarant by stealing from his guard post and successfully framing him, a law abiding citizen, as the culprit. He’s is the reason Amarant became the cold, miserable loner bounty hunter we’re all supposed to “learn how NOT to be” (how ironic). Don’t you find it a little scary that, like in real life, a psychopath can get YOU to side with THEM after destroying the life of another? The game never points out Zidane’s a terrible person for what he did, nor does it let this manchild take responsibility for actions. Not even a “sorry dude”. The game makes you uncritically feel Zidane’s always right, simply because the game says so. Relativism with a questionable morality. Zidane doesn’t care about anyone but himself.
Like Selphie before him, Zidane is a psychopath. Gotcha.
Zidane has a terrible personality trait FFIX continues to gloss over and over again.
“Right after the destruction of Lindblum, what does he do? Goes to hit on more girls. Just after Sarah reveals her mother’s horrible transformation to everyone what does he do? Goes to hit on barmaids. Everytime something bad happens except before her coronation, he goes right to trying to pick up chicks and they don’t even try to use this as a plot device of him ‘doing it to get over grief or to mask a personal shortcoming.’ He just does it. He takes a moment after ‘mog’ kills himself/herself to become Maduin/Madeen to make a joke about it.”
(Thanks to Azuredoragon)
I guess Azuredoragon gave him this piece? His flirting is almost a nervous trait he uses to cope with bad events in his life. He doesn’t get the girl because he, like Edgar and Irvine, don’t flirt for the sake of finding love. They do it to ease their minds.
First Apsilanti84, now Azuredoragon? Great, now there are two of them.
And what’s with the scene where Vivi and Zidane share an “intimate moment”?! He climbed somewhere, asked Vivi to come with him and said: “This is the tradition between male friends!” Eiko listens in and is horrified at what she’s hearing and runs quickly inside. Zidane is 17. Vivi is 9. This is wrong. Terribly wrong. And creepy. “It’s always nice to let go under the stars…”
…yeah that scene was kind of weird.
Wait, weren’t we talking about Vaan and Penelo just minutes ago? I don’t know what’s going on anymore.
…wut? Apsilanti84, staph!